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    Post by hantz Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:26 pm

    Abomasnow (M) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 176 HP / 80 Def / 252 SAtk
    Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Blizzard
    - Giga Drain
    - Focus Blast
    - Shadow Ball

    Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Magnet Pull
    EVs: 255 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Thunderbolt
    - Flash Cannon
    - Signal Beam

    Tentacruel (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Liquid Ooze
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Rapid Spin
    - Surf
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Blizzard

    Blaziken (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Speed Boost
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Brick Break
    - Swords Dance
    - Fire Punch
    - Stone Edge

    Cloyster (M) @ NeverMeltIce
    Trait: Skill Link
    EVs: 36 Atk / 184 Def / 68 SAtk / 40 SDef / 180 Spd
    Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Shell Smash
    - Blizzard
    - Rock Blast
    - Icicle Spear

    Walrein (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Ice Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Aqua Ring
    - Super Fang
    - Substitute
    - Protect


    so this is the only ice team I have its ok but still needs some changes so suggestions are accepted

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    Post by Paradox Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:51 pm

    Well first off, for EVs
    252 is essentially the same as 255 in a stat. Using 252 EVs gives you an extra 4 EVs, or 1 stat point. So Magnezone could have an extra 4 EVs in HP for bulk. Just a suggestion.

    Also, a brief description of what each member of the team does would help. Otherwise, there's not much to suggest since we don't exactly know what you want to do with which pokemon.
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    Post by j05hua Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:25 am

    yeah a description would be nice

    also i just noticed most psychic types can rip through your team with Psychic and Focus Blast. um big problem...

    Abomasnow : Focus Blast

    Magenzone : Focus Blast

    Tentracruel : Psychic

    Blaziken : Psychic

    Cloyster : Focus Blast

    Wailren : Focus Blast
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    Post by Paradox Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:43 pm

    Focus Blast..is...meh...
    slap a Focus Sash on cloyster and you're all set for a free switch
    Alakazam is a huge threat.
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    Post by j05hua Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:35 pm

    Yes a alakazam is a big threat...
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    Post by Paradox Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:51 pm

    Since you give no description, I have no idea what you would like to run, but I do have better sets for you. First off, Hail is meant to stall, not be offensive. Blizzard, ah yes, yet it is offensive, it is also used at times to chip away at the opponents' team. The momentum of Hail is to stall and chip.

    First off, Tentacruel.

    ._. I...have nothing to say to your set :/. Just...no...just no. First off, replace Leftovers with Black Sludge. Same item more or less, just that it only works for poison types. In case of item clause, you'll want Black Sludge on Tentacruel. Tentacruel a stalling/walling/spinning pokemon paired with the weather of stall. Solution? More stall, not offensiveness. Take Surf and Blizzard out. Scald is NEEDED for the EV set you are using. For the sheer fact that you are not investing defensive EVs, any non resistant typing physical move without the person being burned WILL tear you apart. As for blizzard...it is crucial that Tentacruel is a waller not an offensive attacker like I've stated. However, Blizzard could be beneficial as it gains 100% accuracy in hail and has a chance for the annoying freeze hax. If you are thinking about removing this move, I suggest replacing it with Acid Spray, or Toxic.

    Toxic
    Toxic is useful for any flying types that evade the toxic spikes set up by Tentacruel. Toxic, in my opinion, is one hell of a godsend of status inflictions to stall. As badly poisoned pokemon will take more damage as more time grows, lovely for Recovery stallers.

    Acid Spray
    Ah...quite a lovely move for a pokemon such as Tentacruel. Like Scald, this move does NOT pack power, however, it's side effects make up for it. As it's side effect gives it a WONDROUS boost, or perhaps a degrading downfall for the opponent. This move has EXCELLENT STAB with this move along with Scald. This move will give the opponent a degrading -2SpDef on contact. Just as good as giving yourself a +2SpAtk!

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    Post by Lystalva Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:02 pm

    I like your team, just needs some tweaks (quite big improvements) but it looks ok but descriptions but make it a hell of a lot better.
    Also Baka, Hail works well offensivly, just maybe not as well as something like Rain or Sun.
    Abomasnow - The set looks good but maybe try a defensive set to make it last longer?
    Magnezone - Nothing to say, looks good.
    Tentacruel - Baka, never give Tentacruel Toxic, it's useless but acid spray is good for forcing switches etc. Also Rest may be good option for it but if you do rest you must run a cleric. I also agree with Scald > Surf.
    Blaziken - Moveset looks good apart from replace Brick Break with Hi Jump Kick, Brick Break is useless. Also get rid of Life Orb. Losing 16% health every turn is just no. Replace it with Leftovers or Expert Belt or even Muscle Band.
    Cloyster - GET RID OF THE DEFENCE EV'S. Cloyster needs all the offence it can get. Also give it sash so you can get a free shell smash up without worrying of getting KO'd. It's a lot better than NeverMeltIce.
    Walrein - Replace Aqua Ring with Blizzard and Super Fang with Toxic or Roar. Then you are almost guaranteed to poison the opponent and be able to do good damage.

    Also something that could be good for your team is a pokemon with Stealth Rocks like Mamoswine which can also work with Hail.

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    Post by Paradox Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:11 pm

    It's true that Hail has offensive capabilities, but with a set like what he's trying to run, it's just a no. :/

    As for toxic... I have no idea why I brought it up, considering it has Toxic Spikes already
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    Post by Batl Skard Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:05 am

    Maybe because of the same reason he brought it up for Walrien?

    Person opinions stated below~

    Abomasnow - it's not fast, and it's got about 7 weaknesses [this being off the top of my head and not counting mind you] Either invest all 508 EVs in defenses, or invest in a Choice Scarf with one attacking stat, and speed. This way you can defend or attack more proficiently, and not wait, take a huge hit, and maybe be able to hit back.

    Magnezone - two different notes. A) Magneton runs better speed if you're going 252+ Nature on it. Also, I would drop Flash Cannon/Signal beam for Volt Change - Max speed means you can hit them decently, and then scout thier decision and switch out. Keeps momentum in your favor. B) This is you're notable 4th weak to fighting. I'd remove this for a ghost type to make it three weak and one immunity that you desperately need.

    Tentacruel - Surf to Scald. Blizzard isn't a bad choice [ I run two attacks on my Tenta as well]. Giga Drain helps recover and gives interesting coverage. Acid Spray is good for mindgames but I wouldn't try it personally. [I have done that, with this set actually, so take that advice] Also, since you have this as your 1 of 2 pokemon taking hits, find the gen 4 ev spread. You need defences in both + hp in order to lay spikes effectively. That was a good spread that worked. It invested like 70-90 evs, I forget how many, in defense.

    Blaziken - interesting choice, I see why but due to typing I see infernape being better. Simple reason is because you need to be able to hit with a wide amount of hits, against the types that hit Ice and Co. Well [rock/steel/fire] and switch out without loosing momentum. Blaziken needs to stay in longer to have momentum, Infernape doesn't.

    Cloyster - Uhhh...Life Orb/Focus Sash, Find out why it's EVs are weird...and maybe drop Blizzard, it's not the best choice on that set.

    walrien - Protect and Sub are needed. You don't need Aqua Ring as it's just additional healing, and you have enough to maintain subs. You should looking into Brine, Super Fang, Blizzard, Toxic, or Roar as your other moves. Usually those have the most utility.

    Well, hope that helped, but don't take anything here negatively, I just have my own ideas based on experience, and also, next time add on reasons that you chose what. It's a very nice addition and helps us help you 100x more.
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    Post by Paradox Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:16 pm

    Tentacruel learns Giga Drain?
    Lolwut...

    I never knew XD
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    Post by Batl Skard Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:48 pm

    Yep it does. I like it personally XD
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    Post by Paradox Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:16 pm

    I just checked my set, I run Sludge Bomb ;d
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    Post by Batl Skard Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:34 am

    It's not a bad secondary alternative. That slot is for secondary moves anyway. I'm wondering if it gets Knock Off or something similar.
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    Post by Batl Skard Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:55 pm

    This thread has been moved to the appropriate section, because of it's addition to the forums. Thank you~
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    Post by Paradox Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:27 pm

    I'm pretty sure that it does get Knock Off, y'know, considering it has tentacles?

    Brb, Lemme check

    *5 minutes later*

    Yup, Knock Off . Learn through the process of breeding.
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    Post by Batl Skard Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:41 pm

    Than a reason it might not be commonly used is due to breeding conflicts with Rapid Spin. I could definitely see myself using that move, but it's hard when you need to breed for both. Come on Dream World, give us a present!
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    Post by Paradox Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:16 pm

    *shrugs* Can't do anything for it.
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    Post by hantz Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:17 am

    I have to update it since blaziken is now uber and this team was intended to be dreamworld

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    Post by Paradox Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:25 pm

    Alright ^^
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    Post by Batl Skard Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:30 pm

    Might be repeating myself but try infernape ._.
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    Post by Paradox Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:11 pm

    Fire Type? O: USAH DA INFO-NAPAH

    lmaowut...
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    Post by Batl Skard Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:14 am

    I believe the correct response was, "What?". Anywho, can't wait to critique.
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    Post by Paradox Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:58 pm

    Lol. Same here.
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    Post by Zircon Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:03 am

    Aboma's too fragile for specs..And uh
    Too slow..
    Not sure if this was posted before or anything >.>
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